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Two Parents Theory

Two Parents TheoryAccording to Professor Tariq Ramadan, young Muslims have two parents, one their Muslim community and the other British society.  He blames both parents for all their problems. Both of them could not and still not able to develop British Islamic Identity. They do not know where they belong. They are mis- fit not only for the host society because of their colour of skin but also for the Muslim community because they are unable to talk with their parents and elders in their own languages. They have become notoriously monolingual like native Britis.   Muslims suffered discrimination in all walks of life, while they have contributed for the advancement of British economy. Now the second and third generation born and educated in the United Kingdom is blamed for the act of violence. Those who indulge in violence are not the product of Muslim schools. They come from well-educated middle class families. They are even educated in western institutions and liberal environment. It must be understood clearly that terror bombing is basically a political and not a religious response. A modern educated youth is far more aware of injustices being done to Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir and Chechnya. They also become aware of the past colonial history and its continuation in modern times to varied degrees. It was not hatred of the West but hatred to wards its policies. One must distinguish between the two. In case of London bombing, a life of total alienation led to a burst of rage in Leeds, according to Amy waldman of New York Times. These young men are motivated by both injustices at home and abroad. Their alienation and frustration play no lesser role than the sense of injustices by the western rulers against Muslims abroad. I am afraid even fatwas by Muslim scholars will not de-motivate them, unless suitable policies are adopted at home and abroad. Attacking radical preachers is a way of avoiding facing up the problems within mainstream British society. Banning extreme groups and exporting their leaders will just push the problem underground.    There are many underlying factors to see the unrest among Muslim youths. Much has been said about the failure of Masajid to provide institutional avenues for frustrated Muslim youths to express their discontent. Elders are out of touch with the Muslim youths who then turn towards alternative channels to express their discontent. It is a fact that British racism is the greatest recruiting tool of so called Islamic terrorism. Muslims are expected to keep their faith entirely out of politics, yet faith plays a crucial role in the United States politics.Iftikhar Ahmad 

Iftikhar Ahmad ● 7208d15 Comments

- “There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools should be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.”What of the minority non-Islamistani children in these schools? What happens to them, Iftikhar? Will non-Muslim girls be expected to cover up, for example? You’ve been asked this before but always seem to dodge an answer. Alternatively, you just don’t care.What do your slogans mean in real life?-------- “They have no choice but to send them to your schools.”“Your schools”? Talk about ‘them and us’. Are you advocating a form of bona fide separate development for Muslim children? There’s a word for that in Afrikaans…-------- “It is a crime against humanity to send Muslim children to your schools.”Talk about crying wolf. What’s wrong with parents teaching these children language and culture at home? If it’s a toss up between learning Urdu or French, I know what I’d choose for my children - they already speak three languages, Iftikhar, all learnt in the home. Given they live in England, English is their mother tongue. Wouldn’t want to marginalise them in their own country, would we? Or maybe marginalisation and separate development is part of your agenda? Why should every Tom, Dick and Harriet pay taxes to support your aims when you seem so damned dismissive and superior?As for the ‘crime’ you cite, there is an official supranational definition of ‘crimes against humanity’ via the International Criminal Court. As far as I can see, sending a Muslim child to a non-Muslim school isn’t akin to real crimes against humanity, namely:- Murder - Extermination - Enslavement - Deportation or forcible transfer of population - Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law - Torture - Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity - Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious… or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law. - Enforced disappearance of persons - The crime of apartheid - Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.Your repeated claims of ‘crimes against humanity’ demean the real thing.

Fraser Pearce ● 6624d

A few stories…- I had a couple of friends round yesterday. Married, both born in London, she of Moroccan-Egyptian parents and he of Egyptian lineage. They’d just been to a christening, the first time in a church. In comparison to the mosque environment they’re used to, they were amazed at the relative lack of politics, the open and non-partisan sermon, people of all faiths (and non-faiths) being regarded as brothers and sisters, calls for forgiveness over vengeance and censure of violence, whatever the source.A telling quote: “You’d never hear a sheikh talk like that in a mosque”. I begged to differ but could see their point.- A friend returned to work from holiday today. An atheist, fascinated by other cultures (Islamic in particular), he’d just spent a fortnight in Iran. Three months ago he spent another fortnight in Syria. His overwhelming impression of both countries was tremendous kindness from the people, mixed with great popular dissatisfaction with the government and religious authorities. He found the open generosity of people in marked contrast to those here in London. This friend was attacked in East London the weekend prior to the July bombings. After walking home in the early hours, he was confronted by a bunch of Asian youths, told to “F*ck off, this is a Muslim estate” and beaten up. He didn’t bother reporting the attack to the authorities. - I went to a large South London mosque. After being sermonised on what I should think about Israel, Palestine, the West and Bush I was pretty peeved. Being one of a few white men in there, two men made a beeline for me afterwards. In response to the question of what I thought of the diatribe, I replied that Israel can’t be all bad if non-Muslim Arabs are migrating there in ever-greater numbers. Their response?  “Are you MI5?”Iftikhar, if my friends in the first story can be born and integrate here, why can’t others? If my friends can speak English and learn Arabic from their parents, why can’t other Muslims learn from their parents too? Why do my friends lack the ‘life of total alienation’ of which you speak? Could it be because they, their parents and grandparents actually tried to integrate and are at peace with having ‘Two Parents’? Why are there marked differences in the attitudes of my Arab Muslim friends and Asian Muslim friends? Why does my atheist friend adore the culture of the Middle East and Iran yet dread the surly bigots living on his estate, peddling prejudice on street corners and looking down their nose at non-Muslims?Why do the separate entrances at mosques remind me of the ‘whites only’ and ‘coloreds only’ signs in 1950s America? Why do men and women enter and exit at the same place in every single mosque I’ve ever been to in the Middle East, yet not so over here?As usual Iftikhar, I think you’re confusing personal faith with culture. As for ‘those who indulge in violence… not [being] the product of Muslim schools,’ why do these jihadis seem so hell-bent on ‘martyrdom’ after returning from trips to the old country? What is the parent culture teaching these men? What programming are they getting in the madressas? Whatever happened to self-restraint, self-discipline and generosity? Have these men never considered murder the ultimate blasphemy? Why do we get Muslim psychos rather than Martin Luthers, Ghandis and MLKs? And this brings us to perhaps the greatest fault in the conduct of such Muslims – the sheer bias in their Islamistan worldview. Who is really responsible for the injustices “against Muslims abroad”? Where were the suicide bombers when Saddam was slaughtering, raping and gassing Muslims by the hundred thousand? Where was the horror at the horrors of the Khomeini regime? Where were the mass demonstrations in Muslim countries against the latest Iraq war?You mention Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir and Chechnya but curiously fail to mention Muslims killing others in Taliban Afghanistan, Ba’athist Iraq and Syria, murder-mullah Iran, Janjaweed Sudan, Sulwesi Indonesia, India, Russia, Bali, Spain, France, Germany and, for good measure, good old London town. Sorry, am I deviating from the script here? Why so partial, Iftikhar?  As for ‘colonisation’, why does an Egyptian speak Arabic and not Egyptian? Why am I expected to have a ‘Muslim (i.e. Arab) name’? Why are increasing numbers of women on London’s autumn streets actually dressed for the desert of an Arab peninsular? I would like to think a ‘modern educated youth’ has a far more universal view of injustice around the world. Can’t criticise fellow Muslims though can we? And as for ‘Muslims suffered discrimination in all walks of life’, why is it the most prejudiced people I’ve ever met have been African, Bangladeshi and Pakistani Muslims? Why do most Muslims I know almost always reserve the phrase ‘brothers and sisters’ only for other Muslims?As for those men ‘motivated by both injustices at home and abroad’, why don’t they motivate themselves democratically? Why choose the bomb over the ballot box? Is it because, to many Muslims, democracy is ‘un-Islamic’ (i.e. why have people thinking for themselves when ‘elders’ and imams can tell them how to think, who to marry, how to dress and conduct themselves?)? Where was the mass Muslim outrage at Muslim-inspired electoral fraud at the last general election? Some spoke up but most stayed silent. The only people expecting Muslims ‘to keep their faith entirely out of politics’ are other Muslims.As for it being ‘a fact that British racism is the greatest recruiting tool of so called Islamic terrorism’, are you really so sure? What race is a Muslim exactly? Can’t you see that such a statement is merely reinforcing the ‘us and them’ stereotype? Personally, I can’t think of anything as indiscriminately prejudiced as strapping a bomb to yourself and walking onto a tube train, but there you go. Finally, wasn’t it the Prophet Muhammad who said, “Religion is the way we conduct ourselves towards others." If it’s true, what does that say about the Islam of such ‘frustrated Muslim youths’?

Fraser Pearce ● 7208d