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Muslim Ghettoisation

Muslim GhettoisationWe live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin. A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. There is a tendency for people of similar backgrounds to live together in neighourhoods. The term”ghettoisation” is inappropriate. The original ghettos in Europe during the middle ages were set up by law to confine the Jewish population to one area of a city. According to a research by an Australian academic that Muslim communities in Britain are being increasingly ghettoized in a trend that set back hopes of assimilation by years. Britain has now eight cities in the top 100 most ghettoized cities. The people from the Pakistani community in Bradford and Oldham and Leicester had trebled during the decade. A report by an academic Dr Alan Carling, that Bradford risks becoming a front line in the global clash between the West and Islam. But Islam and Muslims do not clash with the concepts of pluralism, secularism and globalisation. The native flight from Bradford’s inner-city wards showed clear evidence of an increase in segregation in the city since 1991. Native parents are avoiding sending their children in state schools where Muslims and other minorities are in majority.  The dominance of Pakistani Muslims in the city has meant that Bradford has become bi-cultural.  Immigrants are the creators of Britain new wealth, otherwise, inner cities deprived areas could not get new lease of life. The native Brits regard such areas as ghettoes. Integration is not religious and cultural, it is economic and Muslims are well integrated into British society and at the same time they are proud of their Islamic, linguistic and cultural identities, inspite of discrimination they have been facing in all walks of life. According to UN, 80% of British Muslims feel discriminated. They are less burden on social services. Immigrants made up 8.7% of the population, but accounted for10.2% of all collected income taxIt is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizse the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system. In British schools, pupils are encouraged to focus too much on their similarities rather than their differences. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected. Iftikhar Ahmad www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Iftikhar Ahmad ● 6271d21 Comments

Iffy me old china for once you havent got an answer cos its all true aint it? and the only thing on this forum that is silly is you mate (and i use the term "mate"loosely)what a waster....

Pauli Ambrosini ● 6235d

Are you bottling it against answering Ifty. I thought that you had all the answers........I must have been wrong, but at least you answered this time!!!!!!!!!

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SalaamA Pakistani educated Imam is in a better position to answer all your silly questions.

Iftikhar Ahmad ● 6239d

To be perfectly honest Richard, if he has been granted citizenship, that makes his ingratitude all the more disgracefull dont you think!!!!!!!?

Carol Ann Jupp ● 6239d

"Of course, even if he is an immigrant, he may have been granted citizenship."Meanwhile.........A Gurkha soldier who holds a VC, won fighting for this country, is initially refused entry into the UK, and also refused medical treatment for a cardiac problem! The fact that Afghans can hijack a plane, and fly to Stanstead, threaten to kill all of the passengers, inconvenience airport passengers waiting to leave the UK. Eventually demand asylum, given a house complete with Sky TV, benefits etc, one even got a job as a security guard. Lovely caring compassionate lot the Brits.....are you listening Richard.......or maybe IFTY? those that fight for this country can get back to Nepal, while you moan about how hard done by you are, you make me want to puke!

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How true this isAllah or the Lord Jesus Christ? The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion in the UK. Last month I attended my annual training session that's required formaintaining my prison security clearance.During the training session there was a presentation by three speakersrepresenting the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explainedeach of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with avideo. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams andclerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidelsof the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to allMuslims) they are assured of a place in heaven.  If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?' There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, hereplied,  'Non-believers! ' I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight.  All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not ofyour faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?' The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to thatof 'a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.' He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.' I then stated,'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope Benedict commandingall Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering allProtestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!' The Imam was speechless! I continued,'I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brotherclerics are telling your followers to kill me!  Let me ask you a question.  Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for youto go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going toheaven and He wants you to be there with me?' You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.  Needless to say, the organizers of the 'Diversification' training seminarwere not happy with my way of questioning the Islamic Imam and exposing thetruth about this Muslims' beliefs. In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.K. to elect agovernment of their choice, complete with Sharia law I think everyone in the U.K. should be required to read this, but with theLiberal justice system, liberal media and the political correctness madness,there is no way this will be widely publicized.

Pauli Ambrosini ● 6239d

"If I remember correctly Iftikhar has mentioned on his own web site comming to live in this country."You may be right, but his site seems to be down at the moment, so I can't check.  Of course, even if he is an immigrant, he may have been granted citizenship."I'm sure you mean well Richard and may even feel you are defending some one who is being discriminated against, but I believe you are wasting your energy."Yes, I may be wasting my energy in trying to debate with Iftikhar, but I haven't actually done that in this thread, nor have I defended him.  I merely asked why Paul had assumed that Iftikhar's country wasn't the UK.  Does he (or you) know what his citizenship status is?  I certainly don't.

Richard Jennings ● 6240d

Richard said How do you know it's not also his country? Hi RichardIf I remember correctly Iftikhar has mentioned on his own web site comming to live in this country.I'm sure you mean well Richard and may even feel you are defending some one who is being discriminated against,but I believe you are wasting your energy.It is doubtfull Iftikhar even reads what is written here,He likely stops by just long enough to post his propaganda then moves on to the next web site to do the same again, Iftikhar is actually well known and disliked intensly on many other forums for exactly the same postings that he puts on here, It is actually people like him that create so called racism,I have to question if it is really "racism" or just "seeing the writing on the wall"Iftikhar is a pest and a very irritating one at that, and he knows it and enjoys it.The only reason he would have come to live here in the first place would be because it was better than his country of origin, wether it be for safety or economic reasons, either way he has displayed incredible ingratitude and bad manners by making demands and at the same time critisising a country that has given him an improved lifestyle, This attitude is taken up by many others of his kind from around the world who think this tiny island of ours is a gravy train where they can come and suck us dry.You do yourself your children and your grandchildren no favours by defending Iftikhar and his like.Try working in a medical practice and having to tell a sick elderly english patient that you can't arrange transport to a much needed hospital appointment,  that somehow she has to get their by her own means,Only to find that the next patient in line is a new arrival to the country DEMANDING transport for his wife to go and have a routine mmamogram, Oh and she can't speak a word of english so will need a translator, AND THEY GET IT!!!!!!!!This is the kind of person Iftikhar is

Carol Ann Jupp ● 6241d

.. for the adventure of a lifetime, try this:      a.. Go to Pakistan , Afghanistan or Iraq illegally.  Never mind       immigration quotas, visas, International law, or any of that      nonsense.      b.. Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical      care for you and your entire family.      c.. Demand bi-lingual Nurses and Doctors.      d. Demand free bi-lingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.      e.. Procreate abundantly.      f.. Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible      reproductive behaviour with, 'It is a cultural thing; you wouldn't      understand'.      g.. Keep your British identity strong. Fly your national flag from      your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window, or on your      car bumper.      h.. Speak only English at home and in public, and insist that your      children do likewise.      I.. Demand classes on English culture in the Muslim school system.      j.. Demand a local country driver license or national insurance      number equivalent      k.. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimise      your unauthorised, illegal, presence in Pakistan , Afghanistan or      Iraq       l.. Drive around without an MOT, tax or insurance and ignore local      traffic laws.      m.. Insist that local country law enforcement teaches English to all      its officers.      n.. Organise protest marches against your host country, inciting      violence against non-Brits, non-Christians, and the government that      let you in.      Good luck! You'll soon be dead.     

Pauli Ambrosini ● 6241d

"....or perhaps you are among those that don't give a stuff about the Gurkha soldiers."Andrew, I know you feel strongly about the Gurkhas, but you can't assume that I don't give a stuff about them just because it happens to be one of the huge number of subjects on these forums that I haven't contributed to. "Just PC subjects to make you look good?"What's PC about suggesting that someone with a foreign name might actually be a British citizen?

Richard Jennings ● 6262d

"The name's Richard, if you don't mind.  How about answering my question?"But you don't have to I take it....or perhaps you are among those that don't give a stuff about the Gurkha soldiers. Just PC subjects toi make you look good?

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"needs and demands of the Muslim community"What are you going to demand next Ifty, don't you think that you should be satisfied with what this country does for you already, would these freedoms we allow you be tolerated for christians in a muslim country? Stop whining and be satisfied.

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London School of Islamics is an educational Trust. Its aim is to makeBritish public, institutions and media aware of the needs and demands of theMuslim community in the field of education and possible solutions.Slough Islamic school Trust Slough had a seminar on Muslimeducation and schools in Thames Valley Atheltic Centre. The seminar wasaddressed by the education spokesman of MCB. I could not attend the seminarbut I believe lot of Muslims from Slough and surrounding areas must haveattended. Very soon, the Muslims of Slough will have a state funded Muslimschool but there is a need for more schools. A day will come when all Muslimchildren will attend state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslimteachers as role model.Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or lessbilingual schools.Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow theNational Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to servehumanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand theHoly Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other communitylanguages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty oftheir literature and poetry.Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as aproblem. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does notwant to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hoursfrom London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British schoolsystem has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with theQuran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of BritishMuslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the leastlikely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in thestate system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them areunderachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingualMuslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for anon-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher educationis concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others. Let Muslimcommunity educate its own children so that they can develop their ownIslamic, cultural and linguistic identities and become usefull members ofthe British society rather than becoming a buden.We are living in an English speaking country and English is aninternational language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be wellversed in standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urduand other community languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?It is not only the Muslim community who would like to send their children toMuslim school. Sikh and Hindu communities have started setting up theirschools. Last week. British Black Community has planned the first all blackschool with Black teachers in Birmingham.Scotland's first state funded Muslim school could get the go-ahead withinmonths after First Munister Alex Salmond declared he was sympathetic towardsthe needs and demands of the Muslim community.

Iftikhar Ahmad ● 6264d

"How about being less selective on what you choose to comment on?"Why?  You don't comment on every thread, so why should I?

Richard Jennings ● 6265d

>>> i was hoping you had done the decent thing and left my country....">> How do you know it's not also his country?"> Yes with a name like Iftikhar, very English that! Well, Ambrosini isn't very English either!

Richard Jennings ● 6265d

"What are you then Dick ? a do gooder?"The name's Richard, if you don't mind.  How about answering my question?

Richard Jennings ● 6265d

RichardDon't you feel that you might have offered a word of sympathy for the people who I have mentioned before......How about being less selective on what you choose to comment on? Unlike Ifty who hates us, these men have stood side by side with us in wars for 250 years......think about it?I make no apology for raising this issue once again, but this government are again refusing to allow these brave loyal friends to reside in the UK on retiring from the British Army, because " They have no direct connection to this country"!So it's alright to put your life on the line, win gallantry medals,and fight on our side in every conflict that we have been involved in for over 200 years, then when you retire, we will give you a pittance of a pension  pat you on the head and wave you off back home to Nepal.Meanwhile we have to take back from Australia, a serial Paedophile, who is being deported back here, no doubt with police protection,a free home, and endless benefits, just like the other scumbag who came back here a while ago from there.We let all and sundry enter the UK, regardless of where they're from, no matter if they are a danger to the security of this country. I am amazed at the lack of comment on this forum, about the plight of these men who have handed back their medals, and are now threatening to go on hunger strike. Where are all of the PC Brigade who demonstrate outside  Asylum detention centres for their Human Rights...........

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"i was hoping you had done the decent thing and left my country...."How do you know it's not also his country?"Yes with a name like Iftikhar, very English that! He hates everything about this country, it's people, traditions and culture, hardly what one would expect from someone who thinks that this is "his country" When we have people like him amongst us there will always be conflict.....is that what you want, I certainly don't.

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What are you then Dick ? a do gooder?

Pauli Ambrosini ● 6266d

"i was hoping you had done the decent thing and left my country...."How do you know it's not also his country?

Richard Jennings ● 6267d

Hello Iffy, aint heard from you for a month, i was hoping you had done the decent thing and left my country....

Pauli Ambrosini ● 6269d